{"id":512,"date":"2022-07-07T17:03:00","date_gmt":"2022-07-07T17:03:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/?p=512"},"modified":"2025-08-19T17:57:45","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T17:57:45","slug":"project-l2-l118-l115-l17a1-stand-in","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/?p=512","title":{"rendered":"Project &#8211; L2\/L118\/L115 : L17A1 stand-in"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-vertical is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-4fc3f8e1 wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"has-superb-addons-text-align-justify\">Do you ever ponder on what&#8217;s the most difficult part when cloning real rifles in the airsoft world ? I did find that the answer is scopes. Looking for an optic that wasn&#8217;t used fifteen years ago by Delta Force hurts two ways :<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>first your brain due to the mandatory research to pour into finding either the right scope or the perfect stand-in ;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>and your purse, because two thirds of the time the solution isn&#8217;t cheap.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s even worse for long guns as these are as much niche in the airsoft world than in the real one. So what was the probability of some obscure chinese manufacturer to make the correct replica of the Schmidt and Bender 3-12&#215;50 PM II scope you need ?<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"650\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/3-12x50-pm-ii-gr.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-516\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/3-12x50-pm-ii-gr.jpg 650w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/3-12x50-pm-ii-gr-300x92.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>The L17A1 is a PM II that notably lacks the left side rear turret.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"has-superb-addons-text-align-justify\">Don&#8217;t try to math it, it&#8217;s approaching zero. There are two correct S&amp;B scope clones : the (now discontinued) Vector Optics Siegfried 3-12&#215;50 and the limited edition Kitagawa Kogaku Seizosho PMII 3-20*50. Neither will fit the bill as decent stand-in for the L17A1 scope. Despite all this, and stubborn me still wanting something better than the Siegfried for my L118A1, I decided to bang my head a little harder against the different chinese e-shops.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"has-superb-addons-text-align-justify\">Chinese seller Spina Optics offered the solution I was looking for : the Ironclaw 2-12&#215;44. It&#8217;s far from perfect. It&#8217;s not even remotely related to any S&amp;B&#8217;s line of optics. Yet, the overall shape is fairly reminiscent, the turrets display a correctish height and while bulkier the magnification ring is in the rightish place. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s an -ish solution, but with some neat camouflaging tips, it suddenly does the trick.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"560\" height=\"311\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/0009723-vector-optics-sigfried-3-12x50-mil-dot-retikkel-560.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/0009723-vector-optics-sigfried-3-12x50-mil-dot-retikkel-560.jpeg 560w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/0009723-vector-optics-sigfried-3-12x50-mil-dot-retikkel-560-300x167.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 560px) 100vw, 560px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"has-superb-addons-text-align-justify\">The Vector Optics Siegfried has the correct magnification rates, ring and size. However it features the wrong turrets, and an extra undesirable turret. At least contrary to the Kitagawa there are a handful of clones that will shine from this scope (considering minor turrets tweaking) : Norwegian army&#8217;s HK417, Irish sniper kits, Belgian army snipers, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-vertical is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-4fc3f8e1 wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"394\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/kitagawa-kogaku-seizosho-bundeswehr-g28-rifle-scope-pm-ii-dmr-3-2050-illumination-scope-model-nro-scp-g28-tn01-1-700x521-1024x10242x-edited.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-536\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/kitagawa-kogaku-seizosho-bundeswehr-g28-rifle-scope-pm-ii-dmr-3-2050-illumination-scope-model-nro-scp-g28-tn01-1-700x521-1024x10242x-edited.webp 700w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/kitagawa-kogaku-seizosho-bundeswehr-g28-rifle-scope-pm-ii-dmr-3-2050-illumination-scope-model-nro-scp-g28-tn01-1-700x521-1024x10242x-edited-300x169.webp 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/webp-1024x320.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-535\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/webp-1024x320.webp 1024w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/webp-300x94.webp 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/webp-768x240.webp 768w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/webp-850x266.webp 850w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/webp.webp 1366w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"has-superb-addons-text-align-justify\">The Kitagawa PMII is the perfect scope for the G28 rifle. And that&#8217;s it, nothing else.<\/span> <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"638\" height=\"641\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-34.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-513\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-34.png 638w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-34-300x301.png 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-34-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 638px) 100vw, 638px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>At first look the Ironclaw appears quite afar from I need, specially considering it&#8217;s a 30mm bodied scope and the L17A1 is a 34mm one.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image-1024x392.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-529\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image-1024x392.png 1024w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image-300x115.png 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image-768x294.png 768w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image-850x325.png 850w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image.png 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"has-superb-addons-text-align-justify\">A little sniper tape and ring inserts to turn the 30mm body into a 34mm mount compatible totally re-shape the scope. Once it will get painted, along with its host rifle, the deception should be complete. Although, I must comfess still thinking about making some custom stickers to add the Accuracy International markings to the turrets to finally fulfill this chapter.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/apercu-l118a1-1024x512.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-531\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/apercu-l118a1-1024x512.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/apercu-l118a1-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/apercu-l118a1-768x384.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/apercu-l118a1-850x425.jpg 850w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/apercu-l118a1.jpg 1459w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Once mounted to my still in progress L118A1, the illusion works fine for the unkeen eye.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">UKSF reference images<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"828\" height=\"465\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/118243414-2698693613784756-8933491646273884985-n.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-479\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/118243414-2698693613784756-8933491646273884985-n.jpg 828w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/118243414-2698693613784756-8933491646273884985-n-300x168.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/118243414-2698693613784756-8933491646273884985-n-768x431.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 828px) 100vw, 828px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">SFSG 16&#8243; L2A1.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"290\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n-1024x290.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-521\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n-1024x290.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n-300x85.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n-768x218.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n-1536x436.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n-850x241.jpg 850w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/117999704-10158592531017480-8751608186029349431-n.jpg 1802w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Task Force Knight, SAS SR25.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"385\" height=\"217\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/bravo-sierra-foxtrot-20633938-258433447979529-5681794733886668800-n-edited.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-565\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/bravo-sierra-foxtrot-20633938-258433447979529-5681794733886668800-n-edited.jpg 385w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/bravo-sierra-foxtrot-20633938-258433447979529-5681794733886668800-n-edited-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 385px) 100vw, 385px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">SAS L118A1 on a CT exercise.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Army snipers reference images<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"894\" height=\"367\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/9.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-112\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/9.png 894w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/9-300x123.png 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/9-768x315.png 768w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/9-850x349.png 850w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 894px) 100vw, 894px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">L115A2.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"788\" height=\"443\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/l96a1-with-stic-mount-l118a2-edited.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-518\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/l96a1-with-stic-mount-l118a2-edited.jpg 788w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/l96a1-with-stic-mount-l118a2-edited-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/l96a1-with-stic-mount-l118a2-edited-768x432.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 788px) 100vw, 788px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">L96A1.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1080\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/82025480-2701177573460466-1783536845564915690-n-edited.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-520\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/82025480-2701177573460466-1783536845564915690-n-edited.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/82025480-2701177573460466-1783536845564915690-n-edited-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/82025480-2701177573460466-1783536845564915690-n-edited-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/82025480-2701177573460466-1783536845564915690-n-edited-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/82025480-2701177573460466-1783536845564915690-n-edited-850x638.jpg 850w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>L129A1 Sniper Support Weapon.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>L96A1, L118s, L115A2, L2A1, and more, all share a common accessory : the Schmidt &#038; Bender 3-12&#215;50 PMII scope, designated as L17A1.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":515,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7,3,28,29,31,32,49,27,8],"tags":[84,87,86,50],"class_list":["post-512","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-assaultrifles","category-projects","category-projectl115a1","category-projectl115a2","category-projectl118a1","category-projectl118a2","category-projectl2a1assault","category-projectl2a1","category-snipersystems","tag-projectl115a2","tag-projectl118a1","tag-projectl118a2","tag-projectl2a1"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/512","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=512"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/512\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":639,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/512\/revisions\/639"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/515"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=512"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=512"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thekitchat.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=512"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}